Devils Too Strong? And How Long Does Cos Last?

[He-Man]

I personally lost 1800 vamps to someone devils top stack and they were 190 ranks below me.

Another TCA mage lost a lot to devils too and a hero, El invasor perdió 3872 [a href=http://www.gamesweb.cl/archmage01/units.php?id_unidad=70 target=_blank]lich[/a]

el heroe Enchantress ha muerto en batalla.

Devils shouldnt be able to take out a WHOLE top stack and get no damage done to them.

Also how long does CoS last?

[lord_frank]

?

[Jame007]

This post have been moved in Consults.

This report is normal. And COS is 12 hours in your kingdom

[He-Man]

?

Devils are too strong.

[Jame007]

No He-man, in Mari, Devils was the same.

[He-Man]

No He-man, in Mari, Devils was the same.

ok whats the upkeep on CoS and devils then?

[Jame007]

mmmm... The objective to COS is give counters...mmm... very strong??  :lol:  jeje. And COS leaves your kingdom when:

a) After 12 hours

Lack of people / gold / mana

but the hero leave your kingdom some turns after.

[Dracolich]

LOL! My friend, you don't know very much about this game.

No, CoS is very powerful, but things are not so easy. On the first 12 hours, you must pay 1/3 of your total gold and 1/3+6666 of your total pop. Then, you will have 4-5 DAYS 1/3 of your income disappear, you can't tribute, you can't pillage, and of course you can't cast CoS again.

If you are not a very skilled player, you will probably die casting this spell.  

[He-Man]

mmmm... The objective to COS is give counters...mmm... very strong??  :lol:  jeje. And COS leaves your kingdom when:

a) After 12 hours

Lack of people / gold / mana

but the hero leave your kingdom some turns after.

You're not understanding what I am saying. CoS was designed to where u'd have to use some turns while it is still casted on you, but now you dont have to. you can cast it and then wait 12 hours it will be gone and you will be able to use your turns then cast it again. and anyways the hero was supposed to stay in your kingdom for several days, and while you had him you couldn't recast it.

[Panther]

mmmm... The objective to COS is give counters...mmm... very strong??  :lol:  jeje. And COS leaves your kingdom when:

a) After 12 hours

Lack of people / gold / mana

but the hero leave your kingdom some turns after.

theobjective of CoS is to mess people up.

correct, cos lasts 12 hrs or untile lack of one of the above 3

the hero leaves your kingdom after a few days worth of turns,

you can no longer cast CoS while the [a href=http://www.gamesweb.cl/archmage01/units.php?id_unidad=62 target=_blank]devil[/a] prince is in your kingdom.

Devils dont always take out top stacks.  if the mage is considerably below the mage he is attacking the Devils get killed and the top stack of your mage dosent get harmed.

WHat i gather from this, the drain on pop is not significant enough and you are able to cast CoS after several turns.  This can virtually be a once a day procedure without any harsh sideeffects to your kingdom...

[Panther]

LOL! My friend, you don't know very much about this game.

No, CoS is very powerful, but things are not so easy. On the first 12 hours, you must pay 1/3 of your total gold and 1/3+6666 of your total pop. Then, you will have 4-5 DAYS 1/3 of your income disappear, you can't tribute, you can't pillage, and of course you can't cast CoS again.

If you are not a very skilled player, you will probably die casting this spell.

yes that is correct, that is what it SHOULD DO.  i cannout vouch if it is what this game is programmed to happen because i am not black.  But i have seen things to lead em to believe that these effects are not in place

[He-Man]

LOL! My friend, you don't know very much about this game.

No, CoS is very powerful, but things are not so easy. On the first 12 hours, you must pay 1/3 of your total gold and 1/3+6666 of your total pop. Then, you will have 4-5 DAYS 1/3 of your income disappear, you can't tribute, you can't pillage, and of course you can't cast CoS again.

If you are not a very skilled player, you will probably die casting this spell.

let's hope it's programmed right.  
BTW thank you much for the insight. I was sitting here starring at what james was saying and i was in awe.  

[Dracolich]

Devils dont always take out top stacks. if the mage is considerably below the mage he is attacking the Devils get killed and the top stack of your mage dosent get harmed.

False. When you attack, ~100 devils come. When you are attacked, ~1000 devils come. When you give a counter, ~10000 devils come. 4 devils=1 [a href=http://www.gamesweb.cl/archmage01/units.php?id_unidad=55 target=_blank]red dragon[/a], more or less.

BTW, right now is bad programmed, true. But is bad for the casting mage, cause the pop maintenance is far higher that it should be when the 12 hours have passed, and it is very difficult to keep your mage alive.

[Dracolich]

Yep, but it not depends on the rank of the mage, it depends if he is countering you or not. If it is a counter, there is nothing your top stack can do, it will die, even if the attacker is in pos 1000 and you are top 1.  

[He-Man]

Yep, but it not depends on the rank of the mage, it depends if he is countering you or not. If it is a counter, there is nothing your top stack can do, it will die, even if the attacker is in pos 1000 and you are top 1.

how about if he is attacking, or countering or countering a spell?

[damalore]

first you do said this:
Lord Frank, The English guilds are getting tired of how much you take sides and abuse your athority. We will ALL be moving to another server next reset EoE/TCA/TI if we keep being treated unfairly in this server, That is over 100 active players. First Off I need to prove how we are being treated poorly, then I am going to tell you some of our requests.

Point 1) almost the day TCA joined the war vs LTDD Black Sabbath(BS) was changed. I find this to be a big coincidence. Seeing that 90% of TCA are Black mages. BS is a big spell for a black mage and it is one a black mage depends on. Please refer to Request 1.

Point 2) Whenever a spanish guild brings up the slightest thing, you change it within hours of there request. if an English guild brings up something that is completely obvious as a bug, or as a major disadvantage, we are asked why, or the bug is barely changed, or we are ignored. Please Refer to Request 1.

Point 3) You have been using your athority to the advantage of you and your friends. We have seen mages that die and then the next day are alive again. Also you told Patchan that your guild joined the war to "test spells," influenicing other guilds to join the war also. Please refer to Request 2.

I am tired and I think it's time for you to hear our requests.

Request 1) Before an enchantment or a Spell or unit or anything of that will effect us in a huge way is changed we would like 2 days advanced notice. Also Before you change a Spell/Item/Unit/ETC We want you and other members of your moderators to discuss it. And to make sure it's fair. we want an equal number of mods. if there are 2 spanish mods we want 2 English mods.

Request 2) If a mage is revived we want to see writen proof why that mage was revived and we want it public. Also Frank we would no longer like you to use your influende in a negative way towards us. Doesn't have to be possitive, but not negative.

Request 3) Get everything up and running. AND fair. right now D&D and MS and VE can not be blocked. SO bars are a waste. the only reason that is, is because well our higher mages would whoop up on your lower mages with spells. but that's how AM has always been. You dont need to take every single one of our advantages away to beat us. We want to some skill from you (Spanish Mages). All we have seen is Spanish mages cry to Lord Frank because "TCA or EoE found some way to kick our butt." WE DON'T CHEAT, So stop saying we do. We are more skilled and less active you dont need your moderator to change everything for you so that you have EVERY advantage.

Do not take this lightly this is coming from The leaders of TCA/EoE/TI that is a large part of your ACTIVE players. if you want to keep us here then you need to realize we are players too and we arent here to just beat you up. We DO want alliances with spanish guilds, we do want more spanish members. It shouldn't take 10 guilds and a cheating mod to beat us. We want this server to succeed. but if we keep being treated poorly here WE ARE LEAVING.

There will be more complaints and Requests coming from other players. but these are some of the main ones.

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and now  your you complain of the powerful of the COS, do not I understand.
sorry for my english

[javierea]

if you are countering a spell you'll face 1000 devils

[He-Man]

first you do said this:
Lord Frank, The English guilds are getting tired of how much you take sides and abuse your athority. We will ALL be moving to another server next reset EoE/TCA/TI if we keep being treated unfairly in this server, That is over 100 active players. First Off I need to prove how we are being treated poorly, then I am going to tell you some of our requests.

Point 1) almost the day TCA joined the war vs LTDD Black Sabbath(BS) was changed. I find this to be a big coincidence. Seeing that 90% of TCA are Black mages. BS is a big spell for a black mage and it is one a black mage depends on. Please refer to Request 1.

Point 2) Whenever a spanish guild brings up the slightest thing, you change it within hours of there request. if an English guild brings up something that is completely obvious as a bug, or as a major disadvantage, we are asked why, or the bug is barely changed, or we are ignored. Please Refer to Request 1.

Point 3) You have been using your athority to the advantage of you and your friends. We have seen mages that die and then the next day are alive again. Also you told Patchan that your guild joined the war to "test spells," influenicing other guilds to join the war also. Please refer to Request 2.

I am tired and I think it's time for you to hear our requests.

Request 1) Before an enchantment or a Spell or unit or anything of that will effect us in a huge way is changed we would like 2 days advanced notice. Also Before you change a Spell/Item/Unit/ETC We want you and other members of your moderators to discuss it. And to make sure it's fair. we want an equal number of mods. if there are 2 spanish mods we want 2 English mods.

Request 2) If a mage is revived we want to see writen proof why that mage was revived and we want it public. Also Frank we would no longer like you to use your influende in a negative way towards us. Doesn't have to be possitive, but not negative.

Request 3) Get everything up and running. AND fair. right now D&D and MS and VE can not be blocked. SO bars are a waste. the only reason that is, is because well our higher mages would whoop up on your lower mages with spells. but that's how AM has always been. You dont need to take every single one of our advantages away to beat us. We want to some skill from you (Spanish Mages). All we have seen is Spanish mages cry to Lord Frank because "TCA or EoE found some way to kick our butt." WE DON'T CHEAT, So stop saying we do. We are more skilled and less active you dont need your moderator to change everything for you so that you have EVERY advantage.

Do not take this lightly this is coming from The leaders of TCA/EoE/TI that is a large part of your ACTIVE players. if you want to keep us here then you need to realize we are players too and we arent here to just beat you up. We DO want alliances with spanish guilds, we do want more spanish members. It shouldn't take 10 guilds and a cheating mod to beat us. We want this server to succeed. but if we keep being treated poorly here WE ARE LEAVING.

There will be more complaints and Requests coming from other players. but these are some of the main ones.

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and now  your you complain of the powerful of the COS, do not I understand.
sorry for my english

I was saying the CoS is too powerful and i wanted to know if the programming was right. me and some other players were under the impression and still are that it is different here than it was from Mari AM.

[javierea]

COS is as powerfull as in the old mari. If have COS you don't actually have devils, the come when you attack or are attacked

[He-Man]

if you are countering a spell you'll face 1000 devils

I want to know what i will be facing if he is countering me.

[javierea]

10.000 devils (even better )

[eru]

Once casted (1 million mp) it will call devils to battles for us. If it's a counter there will be more than 6000 devils, in this case, the 1st stack of the enemy will be totally killed, with independence of the unit it was. If it's not a counter the quantity of devils will be very lower, between 100 and 600 and as u can see it won be very usefull. This effect will be gone in 12 hours or when there's a lack of gold or mana or pop. However this spell has other effects very dangerous for the mage using it. The spells spends 1/3 of gold, mp and pop for each turn we use (beeing in attacks or not) and it comes to u a hero called The [a href=http://www.gamesweb.cl/archmage01/units.php?id_unidad=62 target=_blank]devil[/a] Prince (i hope the translation is this ). This hero will do that mana income will be extremely unstable and that any gold win in a pillage (i know there are no pillages in the game but i wanted to put all the info ) u don't win gold cause the hero retains it all. the Prince will be there between 3 days and a hole week.

I think it isn't working like this now ;)

[He-Man]

yesterday a few tca/eoe members fell into a trap of attacking a low ranked mage who had spelled a lot of us, this mage had devils top. Today the same mage has gained quite a bit of land and from what we can see he has suffered nothing from castind CoS.

this is what i got when i did scrying mirror.  

Población=488968
Mana=542963
Oro=183260188

Does that look like someone who caster CoS just yesterday?

Also we know he has used several turns. because he recasted spells on a few of us and he attacked a few of us.  and because he has gained a nice chunk of land.

[Onimaru]

Devils are too strong man, a mage w/devils killed my 7k aa and not even one [a href=http://www.gamesweb.cl/archmage01/units.php?id_unidad=62 target=_blank]devil[/a] was killed in the attack he even killed a hero lvl 18 that's strange

[javierea]

You can manage to survive with it if you llearn how to, It's not cheating and the spell is doing the same effect as in Mari. I invite you to try  it and watch it for yourselves.

[javierea]

plz, you have colective paranoia

[Arbiter]

hmm....let's see...... 4 devils equals 1 rd.... if your right.... Summon 6000 devils.... if he's right.... that makes it..... 6000/4= 1500?!?!?!?!?!? BLOODLY F**KING HELL!!!!!!!! 1500 RDS??!?!!? Us reds are bothered enough by blacks..... Don't think I'll never attack a black again..... if what has been said is right..... now if 10000 is right.... 2500 rds!?!?!?  *shudders....*  There better be one hell of a consequence in casting CoS....
Even if it's just a plain attack 100 devils= 25rds up to 600 devils=150 rds??? Are you sure it's approx. 4-1???

[He-Man]

plz, you have colective paranoia

Here's the thing All of us have playing AM a long time. And to see a mage go from 0pop and 0 geld and have CoS and live, not only live but keep go up in rank? some magical force had to help.  

[Anton Draven LaVey]

plz, you have colective paranoia?

I think not simple minded fool.

[javierea]

There are heavy consecuences, I cannot tribute for a few days but since I didn't move my mage many turnos I didn't lose much gold and population. If not my mage would be death by now. Anyways, If 1500 devils or  2500 devils go against any stack I don't suck there would be much difference, they would destry the whole stack one way or another.

[He-Man]

There are heavy consecuences, I cannot tribute for a few days but since I didn't move my mage many turnos I didn't lose much gold and population. If not my mage would be death by now. Anyways, If 1500 devils or  2500 devils go against any stack I don't suck there would be much difference, they would destry the whole stack one way or another.

That bull, because ChaosSoldier(# 5) has been getting Devils for more than 24 hours. and look at his stats.
Población=330066
Mana=156618
Oro=208287700

And he keeps using turns and spelling people.

Someone like that should be dead by now. he isn't even playing carefully. and how the hell does shogun go from 0pop/0geld and then he gets full and he has CoS on him. Thats screwed up. maybe LTDD's mod has something to do with it?

[Anton Draven LaVey]

Heman your not in a spanish guild so whatever you say is wrong. If you were LTDD/Power they would of listened by now.

[He-Man]

2004-05-04  17:42:03
   
ChaosSoldier(#5)
   
Rasha(#1595)
2004-05-04  13:46:53
   
ChaosSoldier(#5)
   
Lightbringer(#491)
2004-05-04  13:45:52
   
ChaosSoldier(#5)
   
perlitas(#1282)
2004-05-04  13:44:15
   
ChaosSoldier(#5)
   
evaluator(#238)
2004-05-04  13:42:23
   
ChaosSoldier(#5)
   
Phenom(#291)
2004-05-04  13:42:08
   
ChaosSoldier(#5)
   
Phenom(#291)
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ChaosSoldier(#5)
   
Tristan Sih(#1228)
2004-05-04  13:40:04
   
ChaosSoldier(#5)
   
chingon(#1562

All with CoS on.

so that's atleast 16 turns.

[He-Man]

Heman your not in a spanish guild so whatever you say is wrong. If you were LTDD/Power they would of listened by now.

Damnit, you're right    

[lord_frank]

mmhhhhh cos bug?

[He-Man]

mmhhhhh cos bug?

YES CoS is very screwed up. the upkeep isn't working right. and the devils last longer than 12 hours.

it Should work something like this

"No, CoS is very powerful, but things are not so easy. On the first 12 hours, you must pay 1/3 of your total gold and 1/3+6666 of your total pop. Then, you will have 4-5 DAYS 1/3 of your income disappear, you can't tribute, you can't pillage, and of course you can't cast CoS again."

After 12 hours you no longer get devils to help. but you keep the [a href=http://www.gamesweb.cl/archmage01/units.php?id_unidad=62 target=_blank]devil[/a] hero. and the [a href=http://www.gamesweb.cl/archmage01/units.php?id_unidad=62 target=_blank]devil[/a] hero takes 6666 pop a turn or something like that. anyone know exactly how it's supposed to work?

[Wulfbait]

Heman your not in a spanish guild so whatever you say is wrong. If you were LTDD/Power they would of listened by now.

Incorrecto, si fuerais más educados se os escucharía, pero como solo sabeis insultar, directamente cualquier cosa medio inteligible que podais producir queda completamente oculta por la suciedad que brota de vuestros teclados.

[ChaosSoldier]

I Famous :ban:  

[Luzbel]

edit: solo en ingles/only in english

[javierea]

mmhhhhh cos bug?

YES CoS is very screwed up. the upkeep isn't working right. and the devils last longer than 12 hours.

it Should work something like this

"No, CoS is very powerful, but things are not so easy. On the first 12 hours, you must pay 1/3 of your total gold and 1/3+6666 of your total pop. Then, you will have 4-5 DAYS 1/3 of your income disappear, you can't tribute, you can't pillage, and of course you can't cast CoS again."

After 12 hours you no longer get devils to help. but you keep the <a href=http://www.gamesweb.cl/archmage01/units.php?id_unidad=62 target=_blank>[a href=http://www.gamesweb.cl/archmage01/units.php?id_unidad=62 target=_blank]devil[/a]</a> hero. and the <a href=http://www.gamesweb.cl/archmage01/units.php?id_unidad=62 target=_blank>[a href=http://www.gamesweb.cl/archmage01/units.php?id_unidad=62 target=_blank]devil[/a]</a> hero takes 6666 pop a turn or something like that. anyone know exactly how it's supposed to work?

wrong

[He-Man]

mmhhhhh cos bug?

YES CoS is very screwed up. the upkeep isn't working right. and the devils last longer than 12 hours.

it Should work something like this

"No, CoS is very powerful, but things are not so easy. On the first 12 hours, you must pay 1/3 of your total gold and 1/3+6666 of your total pop. Then, you will have 4-5 DAYS 1/3 of your income disappear, you can't tribute, you can't pillage, and of course you can't cast CoS again."

After 12 hours you no longer get devils to help. but you keep the <a href=http://www.gamesweb.cl/archmage01/units.php?id_unidad=62 target=_blank><a href=http://www.gamesweb.cl/archmage01/units.php?id_unidad=62 target=_blank>[a href=http://www.gamesweb.cl/archmage01/units.php?id_unidad=62 target=_blank]devil[/a]</a></a> hero. and the <a href=http://www.gamesweb.cl/archmage01/units.php?id_unidad=62 target=_blank><a href=http://www.gamesweb.cl/archmage01/units.php?id_unidad=62 target=_blank>[a href=http://www.gamesweb.cl/archmage01/units.php?id_unidad=62 target=_blank]devil[/a]</a></a> hero takes 6666 pop a turn or something like that. anyone know exactly how it's supposed to work?

wrong

If you're so Smart and know everything about this game then how about you tell me how the spell works? then you can tell me why yout mage died. Then maybe after that how about you tell me how long LTDD and Power have been revivng it's mages with mod help. Then just maybe you can tell me how wrong I am about us getting out of this dumb ass server?

You need to shut the hell up I am tired of you talking. You're so damn annoying. CoS is screwed up I have proven this point several times already. I have proven that LTDD has had  mod help and guess What. Still nothing is fixed and still mages make miraculous recoveries that only someone with Higher power can make. So stop pretending like you know everything CoS is screwed up.

[Anton Draven LaVey]

Where are the rights of passage, initiation is for the young to endour.

[javierea]

My mage died a 5 days ago dumbass, don't you see I even have a different nickname???

[Anton Draven LaVey]

The dead is dreadfully dead when they're dead.

[Akrahan]

Oh man, you're crying about things that you dont understand.
The Cos has a bug (sorry have bug, but its reparied), but it's bad for de coser player.
The Cos has always been the most powerful spell in this game, but if you dont know what youre doing probably you'll die. But if you know it you will be a good kamikaze player.

Thats the costo of this spell in THIS server:

Ingreso Neto   -92,746,499   -960   -15,920
I have the completly report, and it works now well. If you dont like devils dont taste black mages, if you dont like hell, dont taste red mages, and if you dont like dying (im not sure about this word) dont declare the war.

One thing more, im Shogun and i use the most powerful machine to survive: two friends and my experience. That's all, if you dont know it its your problem, not mine.  Im sure that you're asking about Falquian and his lacks of population. You said that i have a bug, wrong again, always experience.


Ah, i forgot it, don't cry about the game, it's beta game and the same game to everyone.

And the last thing, surrender and you stay alive. ah, ah, ah, ah, staying alive, XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Sorry for my poor english.  

[Panther]

if cos is bugged... which it is...

DISABLE IT, AND FIX IT.

people have had [a href=http://www.gamesweb.cl/archmage01/units.php?id_unidad=62 target=_blank]devil[/a] way loner than 12 hours...either cos lasts longer than it shouldd or you are able to cast cos way to fast.

it should take at least 4 days of turns to be able to cast again.


p.s. mages have been compensated for WAY less than this...i would imagine that mages affected by this obvious blunder would be compensated.

[Anton Draven LaVey]

Akrahan hows the water/corn flake combo, i heard you mastered the arts of washibi?

[He-Man]

Oh man, you're crying about things that you dont understand.
The Cos has a bug (sorry have bug, but its reparied), but it's bad for de coser player.
The Cos has always been the most powerful spell in this game, but if you dont know what youre doing probably you'll die. But if you know it you will be a good kamikaze player.

Thats the costo of this spell in THIS server:

Ingreso Neto   -92,746,499   -960   -15,920
I have the completly report, and it works now well. If you dont like devils dont taste black mages, if you dont like hell, dont taste red mages, and if you dont like dying (im not sure about this word) dont declare the war.

One thing more, im Shogun and i use the most powerful machine to survive: two friends and my experience. That's all, if you dont know it its your problem, not mine.  Im sure that you're asking about Falquian and his lacks of population. You said that i have a bug, wrong again, always experience.


Ah, i forgot it, don't cry about the game, it's beta game and the same game to everyone.

And the last thing, surrender and you stay alive. ah, ah, ah, ah, staying alive, XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Sorry for my poor english.

You're experience doesnt mean jack Crap to me. If you have 0 pop and 0 geld and have CoS you dont survive. and since when do you get to keep getting devils for 24 hours?

[He-Man]

if cos is bugged... which it is...

DISABLE IT, AND FIX IT.

people have had <a href=http://www.gamesweb.cl/archmage01/units.php?id_unidad=62 target=_blank>[a href=http://www.gamesweb.cl/archmage01/units.php?id_unidad=62 target=_blank]devil[/a]</a> way loner than 12 hours...either cos lasts longer than it shouldd or you are able to cast cos way to fast.

it should take at least 4 days of turns to be able to cast again.


p.s. mages have been compensated for WAY less than this...i would imagine that mages affected by this obvious blunder would be compensated.

Panther should have posted it in Spanish then maybe it would have happened.

[javierea]

TCA who used COS may don't know how to use, that's why they died.
Last time my mage died was because a bug, ironic, right?