An End To The English/spanish War?

[He-Man]

All I see this war doing is ripping us further apart. because it's always like this. These wars need to end. I think the Spanish Guilds and the English guilds need to come into some sort of peace. Maybe we wont reach that peace this reset but we can start working towards it? Next reset I dont want to see TCA/EoE/TI vs almost a whole server. Maybe next reset we can have a TCA/LTDD/TI/TIA vs EoE/Power/KDA/VCM war, or something along those lines. That would benifit us all best. maybe instead of trying to weed us out, you should accept us into the server. I will admit that we have turned down NAP/Alliance offers from some Spanish guilds But we are slowely trying to break that water. 5uck already left the server because they felt un wanted? Or should we just war eachother EVERY set?

[valium]

q ven mis ojitos q tan cansados de tanto tudiar? eso de hacer una guerra con grmeios revueltos me parece comico

[He-Man]

q ven mis ojitos q tan cansados de tanto tudiar? eso de hacer una guerra con grmeios revueltos me parece comico

can someone translate?

[vertumnus]

i dunno he man ,i think like you ,and i dont like this way  ,but let me tell you something
at the first time,alllllllll the inglish guilds are allied and naped by themselves ,so they dont integrated in the game ,just like another guild,but not the spanish ones ,and so we understud that we have to stop fighthing ourserves to start facing guilds like ,eoe,goap,ti,5uck,tca ,they must look a diferents guilds ,but they are all allied

so i realy dunno ,i guess this thing will comming every reset ,again and again

sorry my inglish, i hope you can understand me

[Anton Draven LaVey]

My vote is yes to peace, a end to this war. I don't even know the reason why it started.

[vertumnus]

i dont think this war gonna stop it, not for the spanish at least

[Anton Draven LaVey]

I see what you mean vertumnus, the english guilds always are allied to each other.

[He-Man]

i dunno he man ,i think like you ,and i dont like this way  ,but let me tell you something
at the first time,alllllllll the inglish guilds are allied and naped by themselves ,so they dont integrated in the game ,just like another guild,but not the spanish ones ,and so we understud that we have to stop fighthing ourserves to start facing guilds like ,eoe,goap,ti,5uck,tca ,they must look a diferents guilds ,but they are all allied

so i realy dunno ,i guess this thing will comming every reset ,again and again

sorry my inglish, i hope you can understand me

I can understand your English well enough. I think the only way to stop this is to seperate next reset. The two biggest English guild should not ally next reset. That's just my opinion on how I think things could change for the better. I know this is a sad thing, but we dont even trust out Spanish NAPS right now. the same naps we've had for several sets. This us vs them stuff needs to stop.

[He-Man]

i dont think this war gonna stop it, not for the spanish at least

I decided to make this thread becuase if we do stop the war it's a sign, it shows us that the spanish guilds are willing to work with the English guilds and the other way around.

[He-Man]

I see what you mean vertumnus, the english guilds always are allied to each other.

Well when you're the "little guys" you feel like you have to stick together.

[vertumnus]

maybe and i hope and a new reset we can start from zero ,and stop this stupid thing ,english vs spanish ,but i dont see much ligth for this reset
believe if i told you theres a lot of rivality   in the spanish guilds ,but we cant hit each other when you are all allied and ready to kick our asses :lol:  

[He-Man]

maybe and i hope and a new reset we can start from zero ,and stop this stupid thing ,english vs spanish ,but i dont see much ligth for this reset
believe if i told you theres a lot of rivality   in the spanish guilds ,but we cant hit each other when you are all allied and ready to kick our asses :lol:

even with our alliance it's hard to beat 9 guilds when it's only 3 of us. LOL

Anyways how did the war start?

[valium]

i think just like u people.. this second world war is just like the before... and if all guilds continues in this way.. the story will repeat every and every reset... maybe on next wars can be other coalitiosn like spanish-english vs spanish-english  or something like that... becouse the old way can turn bored

[vertumnus]

im not sure,the EOE declares war on LTDD,the reasons are many,abuse items for the two sides ,coordination atacks for the 2 sides,multiatacks for two sides .the excuses ara so many

[He-Man]

im not sure,the EOE declares war on LTDD,the reasons are many,abuse items for the two sides ,coordination atacks for the 2 sides,multiatacks for two sides .the excuses ara so many

and i am sure our guild was just itching to get some action and so was power and some others then it just kept getting bigger and bigger.

[Anton Draven LaVey]

Yes i think now the time has come to make a change.

[Jonianus]

hmm ok fine i agree with some part of what is said here, but these are just talks and for right now we are still at war and i think that we will be at least till the end of the reset so u people can keep talking


btw Juventus rules

[Marduk]

Well, i also agreed with a lot of things here, the war this reset is very difficult to stop, but the next reset if we talk things and make new alliances and naps i`m sure can be different.
In 1 point you all where right, if eoe/tca/ti continue allied eachother the only way to face them is making alliances in spanish guilds. I think we can try one reset join in alliance a big guild with a small but elite guild, for example we can ally LTDD/TIA and EoE/KDA and POWER/TCA and TI can join the alliance with the less mages to equilibrate the server.
Well is just an example, this alliance will take a lot of effort of all sides and a big step to leave behind the history and the differences.

I like the idea, is difficult but can be done

[Arkane]

I think the same war over and over spanish vs english guilds is really getting boring. We are all human, spanish or english it matters not.  Yes a change is needed, me personly i have nothing against any guilds. But its not upto me to decide on whats going to happen here, we all get a say, English and spanish. I want to hear what both sides have to say about this, post it all here.

Thanks.  

[Marduk]

ok, start for the begining say a friend of mine, so the first barrier: lenguaje, i will traslate the posts to all player know what we are talking about

I will ask to any player against this topic that do not post shit on it, like insults or something like that, following, the traductions

Primero que todo voy a pedirle a todo jugador no interesado en este tema o que este directamente encontra que no postee mierda, como insultos y demases cosas que suelen poner, si estan en desacuerdo lo dicen y punto, no hace falta ni insultar ni herir

Ahora voy a traducir algunos post para que sepamos todos de que se habla

He Man Post: "All I see this war doing is ripping us further apart. because it's always like this. These wars need to end. I think the Spanish Guilds and the English guilds need to come into some sort of peace. Maybe we wont reach that peace this reset but we can start working towards it? Next reset I dont want to see TCA/EoE/TI vs almost a whole server. Maybe next reset we can have a TCA/LTDD/TI/TIA vs EoE/Power/KDA/VCM war, or something along those lines. That would benifit us all best. maybe instead of trying to weed us out, you should accept us into the server. I will admit that we have turned down NAP/Alliance offers from some Spanish guilds But we are slowely trying to break that water. 5uck already left the server because they felt un wanted? Or should we just war eachother EVERY set? "

La guerra lo unico que esta logrando es separarnos mas y mas, estas guerras deben llegar a un final. Yo pienso que los gremios ingleses e hispanos deben llegar a una especie de paz. Quiza no la alcancemos en este reset pero podemos empezar a trabajar en ellos. El reset que viene no me gustaria ver a eoe/tca/ti contra casi todo el server. Quiza podriamos tener algo como TCA/LTDD/TI/TIA vs EoE/Power/KDA/VCM, o algo por el estilo. En vez de matarnos deberian aceptarnos dentro del servidor. Tengo que admitir que hemos rechazado nap y allianzas de gremios hispanos pero poco a poco estamos tratando de romper con esa tendencia, 5uck se fue porque se sintieron no queridos? Tenemos que pelear siempre igual reset tras reset?

He Man "TCA will be the first guild to offer peace. We want no more war. "

TCA va a ser el primero en ofrecer la paz, no queremos mas guerra.

Vertumus "i dunno he man ,i think like you ,and i dont like this way ,but let me tell you something
at the first time,alllllllll the inglish guilds are allied and naped by themselves ,so they dont integrated in the game ,just like another guild,but not the spanish ones ,and so we understud that we have to stop fighthing ourserves to start facing guilds like ,eoe,goap,ti,5uck,tca ,they must look a diferents guilds ,but they are all allied

so i realy dunno ,i guess this thing will comming every reset ,again and again

sorry my inglish, i hope you can understand me"

Basicamente todas los gremios ingleses estan aliados entre si, no se integran. Tuvimos que dejar de pelearnos entre nosotros para afrontar esa coalicion de gremios ingleses, bue basicamente eso

Anton "My vote is yes to peace, a end to this war. I don't even know the reason why it started"

Si a la paz, no tengo ni idea de por que esta guerra empezo

He Man "I can understand your English well enough. I think the only way to stop this is to seperate next reset. The two biggest English guild should not ally next reset. That's just my opinion on how I think things could change for the better. I know this is a sad thing, but we dont even trust out Spanish NAPS right now. the same naps we've had for several sets. This us vs them stuff needs to stop"

Entiendo tu ingles vertumus y creo que la unica forma de detener esto es que los gremios ingleses se separen el reset que viene. Los 2 gremios ingleses mas grandes no deberian ser aliados el reset que viene. Esa es mi opinion para cambiar las cosas para mejor, Se que es algo triste pero ni siquiera confiamos en nuestras Nap hispanas en este momento, las mismas naps que siempre tenemos desde varios resets. Esto de nosotros vs ellos tiene que detenerse


Bueno, ya van viendo de que va el post, me canse de escribir

SEAN EDUCADOS, que post como este estan para hablar y no para decir idioteces.

I`m tired, next day i will follow the translation

[Marduk]

Marduk post "Well, i also agreed with a lot of things here, the war this reset is very difficult to stop, but the next reset if we talk things and make new alliances and naps i`m sure can be different.
In 1 point you all where right, if eoe/tca/ti continue allied eachother the only way to face them is making alliances in spanish guilds. I think we can try one reset join in alliance a big guild with a small but elite guild, for example we can ally LTDD/TIA and EoE/KDA and POWER/TCA and TI can join the alliance with the less mages to equilibrate the server.
Well is just an example, this alliance will take a lot of effort of all sides and a big step to leave behind the history and the differences.

I like the idea, is difficult but can be done"

basicamente lo que yo dije es que estoy de acuerdo, pero que esta claro que mientras eoe/tca/ti sigan aliados no se puede hacer. Entonces di un ejemplo de una idea que podriamos probar, por 1 reset podriamos aliar
LtDD/TIA y EoE/KDA y POWER/TCA y TI entra para la alianza que mas debil este
La idea surge de juntar 1 gremio grande con 1 gremio chico pero mas elite. Asi los jugadores de los gremios grandes se pueden beneficiar del conocimiento de los de elite y los jugadores de los de elite se pueden beneficiar de la cantidad de jugadores de los gremios grandes y ademas pueden hacer una "buena obra" enseñando algo de lo que saben
Es solo un ejemplo y que reconozco que hay que dar un gran paso para olvidar la historia y las diferencias
Me gusta la idea, es dificil pero se puede hacer

[Jonianus]

that will take a lot of time and worl marduk

btw Spanish vs English....wait a moment i am Albanian, where do i fit in

[Iratus]

Let me just stayte for the record that EoE has always attempted to reach out to the spanish players of this game. Being a globa guild we have never seen this as a us against them sort of thing. EoE has had spanish allied and nap guilds in the past and will in the future.

As a member of the council and as the leader of EoE I have always tried to reach out to the soanish memebrs of this game. There is an element howevetr on both sides which do not want to see this happen for what ever reason.

Now as long as people here are seeming to want to be honest about things then lets be so. I saw it stated that 5uck left the server because they was unwanted here. Well this is some what true. However the bottem line is 5uck is not here because they cheated and peolpe got angry with them. Rather than play right they choose to leave.

Further someone asked why this war started. Well its simple mages of a former ally I will not name the guilds name planted mages in EoE and began covert activities against ltdd. This just kept growing and before you know it we have what we have now. By the time it had been figured out as to who was at the bottem of this it was far to late to turn back.

As far as ending the war. I am open to doing so. However dont take this next statement the wrong way. If and end of the war can come then good. If not then good too.

Now back to ally issue. EoE has always picked our allies according to our own standards. We will continue doing so in this fashion. This however as in the oast does not limit any guild spanish or english or otherwise  becomming our ally.

I stand firm in comments which I have made over and over again in this forum. This is a game, a war game. Many take this far too serious for it just being a game. Also many have forgotten how this game is played because until now nothing worked spells, items, heroes ect.

I also understand that when you think you are in a no win situation that you try to save your ass any way you can. For many sets now the guilds we have faced have felt in this very position I am sure. Now these guilds are playing well and gicing us a run for our money. I can understand if they maybe dont want to end the war and have a little pay back time. If I was them I would too. And as I saidd before those spanish guilds guilds which have banned together should be proud of themselves they have and are waging a good fight.

To make clear if all the leaders want to end the war then EoE will go along with that. If choosen not to then we will deal with that also, However if the war ends Iwant to make sure that those spanish guilds get their due credit asthe victors they have more than earned it this set as of right now.

I hope that I have made clear understanding to one all with this post as i am somewhat tired as I make it.

Pro bonus d totus

[He-Man]

that will take a lot of time and worl marduk

btw Spanish vs English....wait a moment i am Albanian, where do i fit in

shut up, you're in TCA so you're English.

[Sepharad]

Mientras el gremio que declaró la guerra lanzando la primera piedra, EOE con la colaboración de TCA i TI, continue controlando el top de magos i el top de gremios la guerra no puede acabar para el resto de gremios agraviados.

[He-Man]

Mientras el gremio que declaró la guerra lanzando la primera piedra, EOE con la colaboración de TCA i TI, continue controlando el top de magos i el top de gremios la guerra no puede acabar para el resto de gremios agraviados.

can someone translate

[damalore]

hispano nadie nos mete a nosotros jo

[Greendeath]

Y q tal si nos dejais esto a los distintos diplomaticos y líderes de gremios q estamos hablando sobre ello???

Liante no se q dice Sepharad para q te pongas así y le llames nazi, te juro lo he leido 3 veces y  no veo razon alguna para llamarle xenofobo.

Respecto a algunas cosas q he leido aquí, creo q tergiversais muy mucho la realidad cuando enfocais esta guerra como otra cruzada hispanos vs angloparlantes. La guerra ya ha explicado Iratus como comenzó, y creo q sobran comentarios al respecto. Simplemente EoE y sus aliados se la declararon a La Torre y sus aliados Power y GLH acudieron como era de esperar. El resto de gremios q se han ido uniendo a la guerra ha sido x motivos propioso xq siempre han acudido a nuestro lado como Iluminati.

Decir q esto es una guerra motivada x la procedencia del gremio es una falacia y una mentira interesada. Los motivos de la guerra han quedado claros.

Creo q poco más queda x decir. Si la guerra parará o no esta aun x decidir.

Ya veremos.

XD

[_LoKy_]

me parto :lol:

[Wulfbait]

Te equivocas del todo Liante


Si no has sido capaz de verlo aún, dudo mucho que lo consigas con mi ayuda, así que voy a pasar de intentartelo explicar siquiera, ya que no se puede aprender en cabeza ajena.

Es más, ese argumentito tuyo de nacis y xenófobos por aquí y por allá, no solo no me gusta, sino que me parece una INMENSA falta de respeto hacia los que verdaderamente sufren el azote de esas lacras, así como un INSULTO hacia aquellos a quienes se lo dedicas.

Asi que, DEJA DE UNA **** VEZ DE QUEJARTE DE INSULTOS CUANDO ERES UNO DE LOS PEORES Y MÁXIMOS AFICIONADOS A ELLO EN ESTE FORO.


PD: Por si no te has dado aún cuenta Liante, me has molestado bastante, te has pasao muchos pueblos y sería MUY bueno, para ti, que los demás pudieramos escuchar (leer) una disculpa saliendo de tus labios (dedos)

[Pablox]

yo por mucho k este de vacileo y tal estoy siempre de buen rollo, y me da lo mismo si al k puteo es español, guiri o rumano .

eso se puede deber a k debo ser de las pocas personas k no le tienen demasiado aprecio a su mago(no hago nunca un drama cuando me entran ni nada por el estilo).

[_LoKy_]

menos cuando te tiran un cos que formas un circo  :lol:



jijijijijijiji

[Liante-]

Loky me parece no lo has entendido pablo se queda de la actitud xd!!!! no del cos xd!!!

[Pablox]

menos cuando te tiran un cos que formas un circo  :lol:



jijijijijijiji

jajaja, exacto, me kejo de k jame me coordinase con un cos, cuando el se ha  kejado de otras actitudes, siendo el 2er rdm k le pego desde k le conozco, hoy me he ganado otro mas y no me he kejado en absoluto

[Lukander]

El problema de los foros es ke no se interpreta bien el tono, a no ser ke cargues tus posts de smileys, lo cual keda feo e incluso puede resultar gay. Ademas por ser un foro te permites licencias ke pueden resultar xenofobas, de hecho acabo de hacerlo yo ahora mismo con los gays (no se mofendan los gays ke lean este foro, pero, eso si, recuerden usar siempre condones... veis? otra licencia ke a alguno le puede resultar xenofoba , kede claro ke toy de cashondeo y lo saco solo como ejemplo).
 Y sobre las alianzas... pos coincido con Greendeath en ke pa eso estan/estamos los diplomaticos,y un foro la verda es ke no me parece el mejor sitio pa hacerlo  

[Liante-]

hola Wulfbait si te has ofendido me sabe mal pero ese comentario no va para ti , esta claro para quien va es para Sepharad, que reset tras reset me a demostrado su gran odio a los guiris, por ser guiris xd!!!

su opinion personal etc etc , su calificacion hacia ellos xd!!!!

[javierea]

Sepharad   Publicado: May 5 2004, 04:37 AM  

Mientras el gremio que declaró la guerra lanzando la primera piedra, EOE con la colaboración de TCA i TI, continue controlando el top de magos i el top de gremios la guerra no puede acabar para el resto de gremios agraviados.  

Eres un NAZI XD!!!!!

tu habla de tu mago no metas a la gente en esto xd!!!! si quieres hablar por power pues habla si te corresponde y tiene ese poder para hacerlo xd!!!

y de los demas gremios pues calladito ya que no eres nada ni nadie xd!!!!

y deja tus diferencias de racismo y anti-guiri fuera del FORO anda que ver gente como tu es lo que me hace estar en gremios guiris xd!!!

Liante, tergiversaste el tema como acostumbras a hacerlo, creo que el que se tendría que quedar a un lado de esto sos vos. En Power todo miembro tiene su derecho a opinión y no vas a cambiar las reglas de nuestro gremio o incuso las reglas del foro (q creo q son parecidas en cuanto a esto).

[TheVon]

Wenas .... Aki va lo ke pienso

La guerra de hispanos vs guiris es una cosa de gremios, no de nacionalidades. El idioma es una barrera para que los angloparlantes se comuniquen con los hispanoparlantes, pero no el motivo en si del comienzo de las hostilidades.

Lo de la alianza gremio guiri con gremio hispano no me parece una wena idean (sorry Marudk ¡). Pienso que cada gremio es independiente y que sus decisiones las debe tomar dependiendo de sus miembros y de sus relaciones con las personas del resto de gremios, no de una actitud prefijada antes o durante el reset.

Respecto a la alianza EOE/TCA/TI, mientras sigan unidos, en cada reset terminara pasando lo mismo por H o por B. Son muchos magos y ademas pegando a gremios hispanos (LTDD, VCM, Power, ...) y es normal ke terminen molestandose esos gremios y empiece la guerra, y mas siendo la actitud de muchos de los miembros de varios bandos bastante propensos a chulerias y improperios por el foro o por mensajes en el server. Si EOE/TCA/TI fuesen gremios hispanos, y siempre estuviesen aliados y copasen el top 30 con facilidad, seguro ke habria una guerra del resto de gremios contra ellos, sin importar idioma o nacionalidad.

P.D. : Es tergiversar Javierea

Un saludete y hasta otra....

[Wulfbait]

hola Wulfbait si te has ofendido me sabe mal pero ese comentario no va para ti , esta claro para quien va es para Sepharad, que reset tras reset me a demostrado su gran odio a los guiris, por ser guiris xd!!!

su opinion personal etc etc , su calificacion hacia ellos xd!!!!

Se perfectamente que va para Sepharad.

Sigo diciendo que te equivocas del todo.

Sigo diciendo que nos debes una disculpa.

Como ya te he dicho en otro post, te pasas varios pueblos, en general, al calificar a las personas de una forma, no ya solo parcial (inevitable), sino total e intencionalmente sesgada.

Tu mismo, mientras respetes, serás respetado, ese es tu problema ahora mismo, el mismo que el de muchos wiris, que no respetais a nadie.

Vosotros mismos  

[Wulfbait]

Further someone asked why this war started. Well its simple mages of a former ally I will not name the guilds name planted mages in EoE and began covert activities against ltdd. This just kept growing and before you know it we have what we have now.

Iratus, you forgot mentioning that YOU DECLARED WAR ON US, and called your allies to help you with it  

Nothing grew up apart from your prepotent attitude against us and your fear to be taken away from the top.

DO NOT EVEN TRY TO FOUL US WITH SUCH CHEAP SPEECH

You begun this, be consequent with your own actions.

[Pablox]

tomate la pastillita wulf, k pierdes los nervios

[Anton Draven LaVey]

TCA should just leave and then all you can war EoE each set sounds fun hey?  

[Wulfbait]

Ah no tranki Pablox, gracias por el interes


Solo pretendía ENFATIZAR la miga del mensaje pa que a Iratus le quede bien claro en que parte del mensaje concentrar sus esfuerzos descifradores para con mi patético inglés

Aparte de que entienda que me recuerda mucho a las distintas razones que en los últimos meses cierto gobernante ha esgrimido para justificar la invasión de cierto país y que si espera que dejemos de matarlos usando la vía de las excusas va un poco bastante de craneo

[Marduk]

well, i hope some of eoe leaders will be more reasonable because is evident that english player who post in forum are not.

Seing the things like are now all reset will be the same, and you know what? if you don`t change your actitude i think you theserve it.

For more info read:

English descripcion wishing dead to all spanish (post named "nick")
English multiatacking for getting randoms (see: begining of war with ltdd and begining war with omp)

I know, faerys are shit, but those attack where randoms! if you can`t stop them you don`t deserve the land and position so you must loose.

[Wulfbait]

Marduck, hazlo extensivo a TCA, representados en este foro por Anton y Liante, aparte de las ocasionales visitas de He-Man, y quizá no estemos condenados del todo a tener que habituarnos a la guerra hispano-sajona de cada reset.


(Vaya por delante que me consta la presencia de hispanos en gremios de origen sajón, y, no tan, viceversa, solo es una manera de llamar a las cosas con NINGÚN ánimo de generalizar ni ofender, solo distinguir de algún modo)

[Wulfbait]

Anton parece estar pidiendo a gritos otro baneo, este más largo que el anterior

[Anton Draven LaVey]

F=a]c#er

[Pablox]

anton, espero k te banneen del foro y el juego.

la gente como tu y como nick no deberia tener derecho a disgrutar del esfuerzo de gente como frank, y demas k utilizan bastante tiempo suyo en k el resto nos divertamos.

[Anton Draven LaVey]

Yogerto vs mirido

I know the park bench is made of wood, but would the paint dry fast with yogerto mr rogerto over the top of it? or maybe if the sky rained with more tea then a plumer i could maybe war myself into whats that a nice cub you have sword on that then. I never though the span then the ish were so kcuf in in reserver path eat tic.

[Wulfbait]

I never though the span then the ish were so kcuf in in reserver path eat tic.

Keep on