De Rerum Iratus

[Mago Viejo Verde]

Realmente , me preocupa la falta de fe en los administradores
y moderadores del juego. ¿Que podemos esperar de una
competicion donde los arbitros estan siempre bajo sospecha?

Es cierto que en muchos casos se ha armado bulla por
motivos nimios , o incluso por motivos espureos , pero ,
ciertamente , este es un caso bastante flagrante de
abuso de poder.

He comprobado por mis propios medios las alegaciones
de los acusados , y no hay posible confusion entre las
direcciones IP de ambos magos. Por tanto , es mas
bien improbable que , de repente , Iratus haya sido
derribado de su puesto en el top 10 por una brillante
luz que le ha comentado al oido algo asi como :
"Nekra y Undomiel son muuuultiiiiis"

Entrando en el terreno de lo posible y especulable,
uno puede razonar que uno de los magos de su
alianza ha gritado pidiendo ayuda desesperado, e
Iratus , viendo como EoE se desmorona a su alrededor,
sabiendo que sus aliados ya estan intentando cubrirse
las espaldas a sus espaldas , y este reset sera recordado
como el del exterminio de su gremio , haya tenido un
"pequeño desliz" , y haya hecho abuso de sus poderes.

Entra dentro de lo humano y comprensible. Pero es
inadmisible en un administrador que se supone imparcial.

La mujer del cesar no solo ha de ser honrada. Debe parecerlo.
Cuando hay tales dudas sobre la integridad de un miembro
del concilio , es hora de que dicho miembro se retire.
Por su propio pie.

Y si no lo hace por su propio pie , espero que alguien
lo ayude.

En resumen. ¿Confiais en Iratus para que tenga
ese tipo de poder sobre vosotros?

Prestadme oidos , romanos...

Ah , no , eso es de otra cosa que andaba escribiendo...
Mago Viejo Verde.
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I am really worried about the lack of trust in moderators and admins. What should we expect from a competition where the referees are always under suspect?

It's true that many times a whole mess was started because of trivial matters, or even because important, but , this last case is a flagrant example power abuse.

I have checked by my own ways the accused's allegations, and there is no way to confuse the IP adresses from both mages. Then, is more probable that, suddenly, Iratus have been taken from the top 10 and a blighting light told him sth like this: "Nekra and Undomiel are multis"

[Jame007]

Iratus debe quedarse

[_LoKy_]

Si se keda, al menos espero que el no tenga potestad para borrarme nada    

[Silmar]

James... macho, piensa un poco k no duele...  

Silmar

[Undómiel]

Ya saben mi opinion respecto a esto, y conocen nuestros argumentos del post que abrio Nekrataal. Nada mas que decir.

[Luzbel]

Si alguien es parcial, y el razonamiento lo deja atras y se deja llevar por sus impulsos no debe de tener un cargo de tanta responsabilidad, para estar en un concilio debe de olvidarse ahí de su gremio al momento de actuar o tomar desiciones y ser imparcial, mientras no actue así dificilmente puede ser responsable de un cargo así.

Luzbel :flor:

[Silmar]

Yo la respeto, pero no speres k la comparta... es k James, en serio, dinos xk debe kedarse!

Silmar

[Jame007]

yo no he dixo ni q tu la tengas q compartir ni nadie, aqui hay una encuesta y yo di mi humilde opinion. Y los motivos los puse en otro post.

[Silmar]

Si en ke post?? xD yo no los vi... buen rollito james, sabes k te kiero xD

:*********

Silmar

[Jame007]

Si en ke post?? xD yo no los vi... buen rollito james, sabes k te kiero xD

:*********

Silmar

ya se q me quieres :$ xDD!! En el post "me cago en todo" (creo) lo puse, será q tengo dolor de cabeza q parece q te borde xD!

[Undómiel]

James. Todos entendemos y aceptamos tu opinion. Pero es que el por lo menos deberia de pedir disculpas y reconocer que cometio un error, sin embargo nos sigue acusando de multis y nos dice que nos tiene en su mira, y eso no lo podemos a aceptar, ya que le hemos demostrado que no es asi, y la verdad es que si el nisiquera es capaz de aceptar su error y darnos la seguridad que no lo volvera a cometer como vamos a poder estar tranquilos de tener a alguien asi con semejante poder. O sea fue super injusto lo que paso y mira lo perjudicados que salimos por esta tontera. Creo que tu tambien estarias igual de enojado verdad?

[Undómiel]

Claro James, te entiendo, por lo mismo he tratado de mantener la compostura lo mas que puedo a pesra de lo enojadisma que estoy.  ;)  

[Crapo]

EDIT: No insultos

[Iratus]

Again people know not of what they speak. The fact is that the mages are two different people of this I did not deny. but the issue here is not that . They have both used the same isp providers  the same ip numbers all of this I traced before even deleting the mages.

Lord Laws state that even if they notify they are same ip they must not coordinate anything. By there own admission in previous bord they do this and intend to continue.

Yes two different isp prociders but both mage  use both providers. Of this I have proof.

You all reallythink that I would take any action with out looking at the proof the isp providers and the ips.

I have never been unfair to anyone on this game and i dont intend to be now. James came to me and saiod he wast sure on this one. An me andhim decided to restore there mages. This was done. a;; we asked them to do is not coordinate because they both use the isp providers and ips.

I think that i am not the one with a motive here. I amnot the one being unfair. Others have been deleted for less than this in this very game.

Some people are now showing their true colors. I guess what is fair for some is not fair for others?

I have deleted EoE mages in past sets and have done so this set as well. I have deleted EoE ally mages as well in past and the present set.

See I guess unlike you al lI can seperate myseldfrom myduties of Eoe and that of the council. As council i do what is best for the game not EoE.

I expect there to be calls for my head like this. Why because some just plan dont like me. but i dont work on council for popularity contest. Iwork on council for frank because he knows I am honest, fair, and care about this game.

I have never once belittle any person of this game. i have often taken sides of those that try to accuse me of some wrong doing now. i have never insulted . sure my guild has warred you but this is a waer game. a game damnit.

If you are going to use the same isp providers or the isp you should report this. also you should not coordinate any attacks spells or items. This is a lord law for one and all.

This whole call for my hesf is totally disginious. Do as you wish though I olny have to answer to frank.

[_LoKy_]

Lo más gracioso, es que Iratus, acusó a todos los chilenos de este juego de ser multis hará dos resets y no los borró porque el resto de miembros del concilio se lo impidieron.
Ahora que ya tiene botón para poder borrar, pues disfrutamos de sus acciones.

[Crapo]

DEMANDAMOS LA CABEZA DE IRATUS!!!!
SOLO CON SANGRE SE HARA JUSTICIA!!!!


WE DEMAND IRATUS'S HEAD!!!!
ONLY BY BLOOD JUSTICE WILL BE DONE!!!

[Panther]

STFU.

you can dish it out for 3 entire resets and not give a flying F***
and when you are on the other end of the rope you cant take the heat.

news flash:

mages have been deleted because they have attacked OTHER council members, members who STILL remain on the council.

mages have been deleted because frank did not like thier email addresses, they had no other proof of multimaging.

so please, stop calling iratus a liar, and questioning his integrity.

if the entire council was like him no one would have anything to fear because he is fair and just.


p.s. this has nothing to do with iratus's motive but is my own opinion .... how does it feel to FOR ONCE WALK IN OUR SHOES.  i cannot BEGIN TO DESCRIBE the obstacles that have been put in our way FROM DAY ONE.  

Our mages are being sabatoged left and right by someone....
your mages keep meyseriously resurrecting after they were killed...killed not deleted.


"the stabber was stabbed himself one day and was amazed at how bad it hurt and asked the question.  Wow have i been doing this to people all along? this really hurts."



YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT UNFAIR THINGS AND INJUSTICES IN THIS GAME, you are preaching to the choir over here...

whatever has happened, (mistake or not...which i strongly was no mistake) is only a fraction of what has happened to us...

[Dtx]

Aporte: recuerdo que en el subforo coincilio salian los requisitos para formar parte de este y entre ellas estaba la de no pertenecer a ningun gremio, osea, total imparcialidad, sonomas.

salu2

[Anton Draven LaVey]

Panther is right, last few sets many of us were deleted without reason. I myself was deleted 2 times last set, and when i complaining nothing happened for many weeks before i was brought back.

The same with 5uck, you deleted them alot when they were here, then brining them back. Basicly fucking them.

Oh and to top it off you deleted atleast 4 tca mages like 1 hour before arma started last set, how nice is that?  

[Undómiel]

Well Panther, if it is so, then yes you're right that is unfair but Nekrataal and I are not to blame about that. Perhaps you should have clamed for justice aswell. But all that isn't reason for Iratus to come here, in revenge perhaps I don't know he did this really, and delete our mages, two people who have nothing to do in that subject. I have no evidence of what you say is true or not but anyhow it isn't reason to come and punish us for that matter because we are inoccent.

[noone]

well iratus is not a pro-english mage at all

read his posts.  he DOES NOT do anything biased thats for sure.  i dont know the exact situation why you were deleted but on this game just dont play from the same computer it is that simple.  yes it sucks and several people have been deleted for the reason of playing at a friends house, etc.  and that is really sad (that is what happened to me).  many times people are innocent.  but we have to remember this is not mari archmage and back then you could multi or do whatever you wanted.  personally i think that was better because now heck you can't tend a friend's mage when they are away or anything.  it is just too anti-multimage here.  (not saying multing is good but a lot of times people play at other people's houses and that doesn't mean they are cheaters. and i think that is kinda what happened here.)  guys you have all the reason to be upset and voice your opinion.  and i think iratus and ALL THE MODS need to inform us before anyone gets deleted.  give the time to make your case!  weren't we told this is how the things would work around here?  give people the chance to apologize if they were truely multing and give them a last chance to play legit or let them admit to tending someone's mage or just let them say hey i had my friend over and we played.  as long as that 'friend' doesn't come over each day then i dont see what's wrong with that.  be more friendly with your players mods and give them time to make a case for themselves.  after being deleted myself i feel the pain of these two guys.  which is probably amazing you guys being i'm so anti-spanish.  lol

[Iratus]

I am not playing this us against them stuff. I did what idid based on evidance and information I had. Of which I have provided to frank.

Could the information been in error maybe I have my doubts on that however.

Non the less I am being accused here of something whicjh is not right. You accuse me of not a mistake but out right doing this for some rebenge act or something.
This is not the case.

I would not delete anyones mage unless I felt I hand the proof.

Its funny cause in the past mages have been deleted by others which was show to be wrong however others heads have not been called for.

This goes much deeper that what is stated here and everyone knows it. You call for my headsimply because of who I am and your personal hate for me.

Never once in all this time have I deleted someone wrongly or allowed anyone to be done so without restoring them. Your out vries here reck of hypocrites.

Do you want rid of me because there is something to hide from me? What is the real reason here. i say that some is protesting here too much.

I did what i did because it is my job  I did so based on information i had and still have gathered from the game and other sources. Lets be real here i dont delete a mage based on nothing that would be stupid on my part.

Unfortuneally with out franks permission I cant not show the information which I used if you all saw it then you would understand this more.

I have been called a liar here but yet I am only one that has things in black and white collected from the game and other sources. Again could it have been wrong maybe but based on what I gathered it dont look good.

See unlike others i did not rush to judgement I did investigate and did look at information.

[Panther]

Again people know not of what they speak. The fact is that the mages are two different people of this I did not deny. but the issue here is not that . They have both used the same isp providers  the same ip numbers all of this I traced before even deleting the mages.

Lord Laws state that even if they notify they are same ip they must not coordinate anything. By there own admission in previous bord they do this and intend to continue.

Yes two different isp prociders but both mage  use both providers. Of this I have proof.

You all reallythink that I would take any action with out looking at the proof the isp providers and the ips.

I have never been unfair to anyone on this game and i dont intend to be now. James came to me and saiod he wast sure on this one. An me andhim decided to restore there mages. This was done. a;; we asked them to do is not coordinate because they both use the isp providers and ips.

then you have your mages back, it is done.

i was innocent and i was deleted for 3 weeks last reset!

whatever you say is the case....i really dont care.

proof was found and you were deleted.  if there is a problem with this then you have a problem with frank and his methods of tracking ips or with with your isp the selves.

either way this is not revenge or spite.



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evidence was found that broke the rules of the game.

simple no?  


how many times have i seen this used when you guys were on the other side of the fence?

or how bout this


if you dont want to be deleted

then DONT CHEAT!

=======================

would you like those reasons instead? because i can tell you for a fact those are all the reasons i or my friends have ever gotten.

[lord_frank]

uff .....( no me salen mas palabras )

[Undómiel]

Panther: Yes we might have our mages back but they are useless. The have been brought back with spell level 0 and we can't investigate either. And we didn't have the same IP.

noone: if you want to know what happend here read the post "me cago en todos" by Nekrataal. There is all what happened about this subject.

Iratus: I'm accusing you of a mistake that costed us our mages because ther are know useless. I just said that I didn't know why you did it. I'm telling you again that what you said aboute Nekrataal and I having the same IP is bullshit and James confirmed that we didn' t have the same IP so that is no true. If you insist in basing yourself in that evidence you can't be more mistaken and it means that you were unfair in this matter. I'm willing to believe that it was a mistake, that you perhaps read wrong the IP ore somthing like that. But stopo saying that we had the same IP because that is a lie, whether you like it or not.

[Nekrataal]

Iratus, Why dont you just say: I was Wrong, im sorry...it isnt that hard, but it needs some balls..

[noone]

Undómiel, i know what you can do!  last set when i was deleted and came back my spell level was 0 too.  well tell frank and he will fix it but it took like 3-4 days last set so ya you are fucked kidna especially if you are in this big war (bet ya are cause everyone else is) but just go meditate real quick cause they wont give ya jack shit if you get hurt now.  so meditate and message iratus/frank to fix ur mage.  however if you bought spells (dont lie be honest) tell them so they know.  it might help but last set i got my mage back minus tree and some other spells  :/  as a black that is a big loss but hey my mage was back so i didn't mind.  but just inform them and then meditate.

good luck getting it back 100%

be nice too i think that helps.  i dont know lol but someone smart told me it helps to suck up.  iratus can be an asshole but he is fair.  again, he didn't delete you for 'fun' or to get even.  he did it for good reason i'm sure.  and i'm 100% sure he didn't give em back to ya w/ 0 spell level on purpose.  like i said that happened w/ me and i'm sure it was an honest mistake by marchetta and the council.

[Arkane]

Last set we got fucked around many times, and yeah... deleting 3 of tca top mages 1 hour before arma! now thats bad!

[valium]

si se demoran en devolverles el spell level 3 - 4 dias.. les sale mejor crearse otro mago ia qs e demorarian dia y medio en investgiarlos

[Undómiel]

noone: Nekrataal already had a problem like this a few days ago, and Frank couldn't fix it. I'm willing to believe that Iratus made a mistake but he insists on something that ain't true. Why can't he just appologize and say that it was a mistake and that way we can leve all this behind and looke for a solution with Frank. And yes I bought many other spells. I spend many days gelding to do so. But I don't understand why he insists on saying that we had the same IP if it isn't so, that is what has me angry. James said that he saw that we didn't have the same IP.
Thanks for being comprehesible though and wishing us luck  ;)  

[Panther]

WOuld you like to trade situations?

i would MUCH RATHER have 2 mages deleted once.

then countless mages deleted, our integrity always in question, our mages being sabatoged, the mages we kill being resurrected for the basic fact that we killed them...


I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE 'PROBLEMS' YOU GUYS HAVE.[/size]

if you have it so tough, spend a reset in our shoes.

[Undómiel]

Well Panther, I'm really sorry for that but don't blame us on that. We had nothing to do about that. If we were in the council that wouldn't have happened. If it's true what you say well I'm sorry but don't come blaming Nekrataal and me of that. We have nothing to do in that subject. Every time you say those things it makes me think that we did it on revenge and I don't want to think that about Iratus. I repeat that I'm willing to believe that it was a mistake and I would like for him to accept that asswell.

[Undómiel]

Illuminati, why do you ask?

[Panther]

im not blaming you i am just stating that i would love to have so many worries as you have...and i was curious if you wanted to trade situations.  


of course...no one would want to be in our place when it comes to the council, and decisions that are made in this game.  

[Undómiel]

That is correct. I wouldn't like to be in your shoes at all. But I'm just saying that why can't he at least admit that it was a mistake. It ain't that hard. There is nothing wrong with that. But at least that way he could work in trying to not make that mistake again and that way it is already something about all the unfair things that happen arround here. We are in the middle of a war, and our mages are usless because of something we didn't do.

[Anton Draven LaVey]

Is that gasoline I smell?

[Undómiel]

jajajajajaaj gasoline...
noone, yes you are our enemy. But that doesn't mean you can call me a bitch or think that this was the right thing to do  
If it was caused to you and we saw that it was unfair we would(at least I would) fight for justice aswell.

[Luzbel]

Pues el día que se pongan a investigar mi ip se van hacer lios,  
debido a que mi servidor nunca nunca me da una ip similar siempre son diferentes, espero que no sea motivo para que me encuentre un día que mi mago ha desaperecido, acusada de multimago   :blink:

ejemplo de mis ip. digo para que desde ahora lo sepan.. porque si no vaya a saber dios con la sorpresita que me encuentre.

200.67.127.189
IP address: 200.67.127.189
Host name: dsl-200-67-127-189.prod-empresarial.com.mx

TraceRoute to 200.67.127.189 [dsl-200-67-127-189.prod-empresarial.com.mx]

DOMINIO:                      com.mx

FECHA DE CREACION:            28-FEB-91
FECHA DE ULTIMA MODIFICACION: 23-FEB-99

ORGANIZACION:                 NIC México [nicmx]
DOMICILIO:                    Monterrey, Nuevo León, México



148.246.120.5
IP address: 148.246.120.5
Host name: guadalajara0104.infosel.net.mx

TraceRoute to 148.246.120.5 [guadalajara0104.infosel.net.mx]

148.246.34.119
IP address: 148.246.34.119
Host name: cicsa-tp01-0352.cicsa.infosel.net.mx

TraceRoute to 148.246.34.119 [cicsa-tp01-0352.cicsa.infosel.net.mx]

Como ven siempre es hasta diferente en el traceado de ruta.

supongo que algunos podrian estar también en mi misma situación..  

Luzbel :flor:

[Nekrataal]

Illuminati, why do you ask?

i asked cause now that i know your my enemy i need to start cussing you out

you bitch!

weeee now this is the Quest we all know

Hey, dont Come here calling Bitch my Girlfriend you son of a bitch!

Im your Enemy too, im The Leader of Illuminati  

[Anton Draven LaVey]

Hello enemy leader, want to smoke some weed with me?

/me passes the joint to Nekrataal

[Nekrataal]

Hello enemy leader, want to smoke some weed with me?

/me passes the joint to Nekrataal

Ok, that'll be nice,
/me takes the Joint

[valium]

Nekrataal cuando el digo YOU BITCH no se referia a undomiel .. sino q a todos los Iluminatis era en plural

[Iratus]

I would perfer that this not be made a issue of personal insults. I have nothing agaisnt amyone I simply was doing my job. If I was allowed Iwould post the information that was used in making the decision to delete the mages. If you saw this imgromation you would understand why I did.

As for returning your mages I very sorry that they did not come back the way they was boefroe this is not my faught. Imust be an erroe in the way we return mages.

Despite what you might think of me I am a fair person. I did not delete the mage for revenge or mallace. I did so basedon the inforation at hand. Now where there is some error in the way the game collects the information I do not know.

But i do know this I can stand firm and proud in the way I have always conducted myself in council and in these foruma. Can the rest fo you say that?

Some are just eager to make this a u8s and them issue Which it is not.

Im sorry both of you feel slighted I understand this. I am sorry that I made you feel this way. But again I was just doing my job.

Please though everyone stop the us them stuff and name calling by anyone is not right.

[Alfiander]

Iratus debe kedarse en el Concilio.

No se exactamente lo ke paso aun, pero tengo la seguridad 100% de ke es imparcial en todo lo ke se refiere al Concilio.

No tengo nada mas ke añadir (de momento al menos)

[Undómiel]

I understand you were just doing your job, and appology accepted. But why didn't you check with the rest of the council before you made those decitions. James said that he looked at the IP and they weren't tha same, and that actually confuses us. I really put a lot of patiente in gelding to buy more spells and I was collecting items. So was Nekrataal, and now all that went to the garbidge. I hope this kind os situation don't happen again because we can't deal with this. You said that you had us as multis way before this, which I really want to know why because it's imposible for our IP to be the same. Please explain to us that because I really would like fo this to be clear and to be able to coordinate without being afraid that our mages would be deleted. Because is very defecault to play like that, specially when you are innocent.

PD: I haven't call you by any names... for me to be angry because of al this doesn't mean that I'll be calling anybody names, so don't incluide me  :unsure:

Alfiander, lee el post de Nekrataal "me cago en todo" Ahi entenderas mas o menos lo que paso. Si tienes alguna duda bueno contactate con Nekra o te doy mi msn.  ;)

[noone]

nek i was joking w/ her.  i was also wondering if she was a she.  nice to have another female in this male dominated game.  but technically a 'bitch' is partly right.  lol

key word in my posts are 'lol'  maybe instead i shoudl say xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

eh?

[Undómiel]

jajaajajajajajaaj It's ok he and I both know you were joking  ;)  And yes I'm a female    

[Iratus]

Undómiel do you have irc if so i would be happy to speak to you in private about what i based it on. I can not share it here i am sorry.

[Huinchaman]

Por lo que he leido Iratus debe IRSE!!!!

sono+

[noone]

Undómiel come to galaxynet and talk to iratus and i

#tca for me and if you must go to #eoe and talk to the iratus dawg