green mage

Iniciado por plutohu, Septiembre 07, 2004, 01:33:39 AM

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plutohu

I don't see any threads as such exist here so I will start it here. (I'm new here, maybe I just didn't look hard enough?)  

Green stacking:  

Objective: to block red attacks

Approach:  There are two ways one can do it.  

1.  First is the most common and obvious:  get units that are resistant to fire.  Units accessible by green are: Archangel, Unicorn.  To get these two units, the most efficient way is Gate.  Direct summoning hardly gives any units per cast.  The Problem: May get useless angels from gate; still takes too much time to get enough archangel and unicorns to be in the first two stacks.

2.  A second approach is to try to kill more red fodders than the red dragons killing your treants so that even tho the red mage dealt enough damage, s/he loses more than you do.  Also, suppose they still did more damage, since most of their fodders are wiped out, s/he grabs little land from you.

Here's how I did it:

1.  Phoenix
2.  Treants
3.  Werebears
4.  Salamanders
5.  Hellhounds
6.  Elvan Magician
7.  Nymphs
8.  Elvan Archer
9.  anything
10.  anthing

Now one would say "come on, surely a red mage can kill the first two stacks easily".  True.  But with the combo

1.  "Scroll of Protection from Fire"/"Rust Armor"
2.  "Oil Flasks" (harder to get since they are so expensive)/ "Flame Blade"
3.  no item/"Flame Blade"
4.  no item/"Rust Armor"

and the helps of 5 high level heros:

1.  Amazon for the Wearbears and hellhounds
2.  Shamon for the treants
3.  Priestess for healing
4.  Berserker to bump up AP
5.   Shiedmaidan for the rally, healing and tactics

I clean out whatever the red has on the ground, thus winning the battle.  Now the heros are optional, but are nice to have.  :)  Expect to lose a fair amount of nix and trees, but you do win the battle nevertheless.

One cool fast and easy but hard to master stacking:  Pure Faerie Dragons

Now since they are 400% resistant to all magic types but green and white, heros like , Priestess(very nice), Shieldmaiden, White Knight, Amazon and Veteran are really helpful for their Valor and healing and such.  Dragon Riders unfortunately won't help these babies :(  What a pity eh?  Since they have Attack Initiative 5, they will always attack first (unless against other AI 5 units), dealing a tremondous amount of damage (you will be amazed how these teeny tiny flies can kill the red dragons :D).  Winning can be easy but defending would be tricky.  I have yet to master defense with faerie dragons, so can't tell you much there.  The key is to have tons and tons of faerie dragons.  Thousands of them just won't do.

Offensively greens can attack whites, fellow greens, and blues.  For white, cast "Call Hurricane" to bring down the flyers.  For green and blue, cast "Flame Blade" and watch your enemy treants or mind rippers burn to hell. :D   Of course if you use the pure faerie dragon stacking then these don't apply.

Pure treants is commonly seen but it's not good at all.  "Web of Spider Woman" will completely shut the treants down, and the treants will have to take the hit from red dragons, a big no-no.  

Green has the second best set of recuits, so USE them.  Elvan magicians, elvan archors, and faerie dragons are all great.

Now I made the start.  Please keep the thread going.  :D  

/Forgiver\

CitaI don't see any threads as such exist here so I will start it here. (I'm new here, maybe I just didn't look hard enough?)  

Green stacking:  

Objective: to block red attacks

Approach:  There are two ways one can do it.  

1.  First is the most common and obvious:  get units that are resistant to fire.  Units accessible by green are: Archangel, Unicorn.  To get these two units, the most efficient way is Gate.  Direct summoning hardly gives any units per cast.  The Problem: May get useless angels from gate; still takes too much time to get enough archangel and unicorns to be in the first two stacks.

2.  A second approach is to try to kill more red fodders than the red dragons killing your treants so that even tho the red mage dealt enough damage, s/he loses more than you do.  Also, suppose they still did more damage, since most of their fodders are wiped out, s/he grabs little land from you.

Here's how I did it:

1.  Phoenix
2.  Treants
3.  Werebears
4.  Salamanders
5.  Hellhounds
6.  Elvan Magician
7.  Nymphs
8.  Elvan Archer
9.  anything
10.  anthing

Now one would say "come on, surely a red mage can kill the first two stacks easily".  True.  But with the combo

1.  "Scroll of Protection from Fire"/"Rust Armor"
2.  "Oil Flasks" (harder to get since they are so expensive)/ "Flame Blade"
3.  no item/"Flame Blade"
4.  no item/"Rust Armor"

and the helps of 5 high level heros:

1.  Amazon for the Wearbears and hellhounds
2.  Shamon for the treants
3.  Priestess for healing
4.  Berserker to bump up AP
5.   Shiedmaidan for the rally, healing and tactics

I clean out whatever the red has on the ground, thus winning the battle.  Now the heros are optional, but are nice to have.  :)  Expect to lose a fair amount of nix and trees, but you do win the battle nevertheless.

One cool fast and easy but hard to master stacking:  Pure Faerie Dragons

Now since they are 400% resistant to all magic types but green and white, heros like , Priestess(very nice), Shieldmaiden, White Knight, Amazon and Veteran are really helpful for their Valor and healing and such.  Dragon Riders unfortunately won't help these babies :(  What a pity eh?  Since they have Attack Initiative 5, they will always attack first (unless against other AI 5 units), dealing a tremondous amount of damage (you will be amazed how these teeny tiny flies can kill the red dragons :D).  Winning can be easy but defending would be tricky.  I have yet to master defense with faerie dragons, so can't tell you much there.  The key is to have tons and tons of faerie dragons.  Thousands of them just won't do.

Offensively greens can attack whites, fellow greens, and blues.  For white, cast "Call Hurricane" to bring down the flyers.  For green and blue, cast "Flame Blade" and watch your enemy treants or mind rippers burn to hell. :D   Of course if you use the pure faerie dragon stacking then these don't apply.

Pure treants is commonly seen but it's not good at all.  "Web of Spider Woman" will completely shut the treants down, and the treants will have to take the hit from red dragons, a big no-no.  

Green has the second best set of recuits, so USE them.  Elvan magicians, elvan archors, and faerie dragons are all great.

Now I made the start.  Please keep the thread going.  :D
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Hisoka

#2


CitaHere's how I did it:

1. Phoenix
2. Treants
3. Werebears
4. Salamanders
5. Hellhounds
6. Elvan Magician
7. Nymphs
8. Elvan Archer
9. anything
10. anthing


men you will die by this stacks... tried it and true... you'll screw....

and lastly, there is no units named anything! lol!

maybe lord frank can add one... hahahaha



plutohu

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Citamen you will die by this stacks... tried it and true... you'll screw....

and lastly, there is no units named anything! lol!

maybe lord frank can add one... hahahaha

Very informative......... I'd like to know why it will screw? You tried it? Then tell me what it is weak against and maybe be a little more constructive and give some advice?  And Maybe then I will tell you your stacking is tried, tested, and false :D

plutohu

This is a more detailed description on the pure Faerie Dragon stacking.

I just tried the pure faerie dragon stacking.  It worked decently well....although there are many different areas well I could improve on.

Advantages:

1.  Simple and easy to maintain.  Just mass recruit them.  Also, the amount that you lose in battle can usually be compensated by recruiting during the 2 turns in battle, as well as the turns you can use to build after capturing land.

2.  They have attack initiative 5, which means they always attack first.

3.  They are wonderful against red dragons.  Yes, red dragons.  Red dragons have their weakness against cold, but what people often overlook is their weakness against breath (relative to other resistances).  Thus all the dragons races creatures are all good against them, namely the red dragons themselves, chimeras, and faerie dragons.  Having around only 100K faerie dragons, which is very easy and fast to recruit, I defeat a red mage EVERY single time around the 200-100 ranking range (the range could be slightly different, but basically it's the range where having 100K FD will get you, so you can figure it out yourself).    

Disadvantages:

1.  Huge burden on town size and population, which in turn affecting income greatly.  

2.  Very weak against some other mono-stacking, such as pure treants or pure wraith.  I lost over 100K FD in a single battle once to a pure wraith stacking, could only kill 5000 of them in return.  Full barrier is a must, as pure treants stack will not be able to touch you.  There's nothing much you can do about the pure wraith stacking though.  But then again there aren't many that can do to these bastards anyways...
 
Things to watch out for: your income and full barrier, plus always have weather summoning and sunray

The pure FD stacking is very good early on in the beginning of a reset as one needs not to research at all and go directly to attack mode.  But once you have reached a certain point where you are sure not many people will dare to attack you, switch your farmland and barracks to Guild to complete the research.  Then just lore your way to the top :D.  I know it's cheap....but everyone does it....so....

White, green and colorless heros can help the FD's.  All their valors should boost FD quite a bit.  Unfortunately Dragon Riders don't work.... What a pity.  

Be sure to use it only in the beginning.  During the middle and latter portions of the reset pure FD's effectiveness is greatly reduced.  When I was trying this stacking out in the second half of last reset, I often captured 2000 per day only to lose all of them (and maybe even more) back.... So it's not worth it.

I hope people try it out and give me results, advice, and CONSTRUCTIVE criticisms.  Phrases such as "it sucks", "it'll screw" and "it won't work" without anything to back them up are just pointless.  

sperm

I run pure wraith stack.. boosted by lots of heroes.. ehehe

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Jet85Ng

i have seem the exact post before....in Origin archmage forum.....
duh...was it you or you took from there?people there replied the same, something like the strategy sux  :unsure:

pure feary dragon is quite strong, still have a lot weakness...doesn't have counter,if 4 quite equal stack is there and flying...its gone risky, take up pops, take quite some time to build up....single stack never good...

Faith

mono fd is just ok for rush w/ green.no more no less.period.
any other strategy involving mono fd is dumb.


and about single stacks that are quite good...well,mono doms and mono AA,mono treants...w/ the appropiate heroes and well played,those could take u quite up in the rank.
but the only pure stack really worthy is mono wraith.well played is lethal.the fact is few ppl knows how to play it right,most ppl think mass heroes + lots of wraiths will do the trick,nvm wat heroes,spells,items,asignment should use,nor take into account the actual state of top 50 of the server u are playing.and thats one of the biggest mistakes in AM (short) history.